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good afternoon this is actually a very

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special occasion for two reasons first

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our guest this afternoon is mr. paul

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davids he's here from California to take

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in New York to do some business and you

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probably don't know him from the show

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time moving which is a very popular came

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out how many years ago now we're going

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on the 20th anniversary and this starred

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Martin Sheen we're not Gina Kyle

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MacLachlan y yo Kate it was a wonderful

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period piece I mean they had the

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authentic cars from that period and it

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looked just like it was shot in 1947

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around the time of the Roswell grant if

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you haven't seen it it's out on DVD and

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the second occasion here that makes it

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special is this is our first live

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YouTube feed well live in the sense that

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we're actually recording it specifically

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for YouTube although I understand that

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in the future maybe we will actually do

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some live streaming so that are our fans

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out there

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friends associates can watch the

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interviews as we know that but this is

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as close to real issue that again today

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so Paul oh ah we're not going to do

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forget about this well I met you Oh

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quite a number of years ago in fact it

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was before the Roswell movie I was then

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editing a magazine called a UFO universe

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and a number of its sister publications

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beautiful files it was in Connecticut

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Conference John White's that was it

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almost good a good memory good memory

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and we did an excellent interview and of

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course not Paul is which you can see

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yourself primarily a filmmaker yes yeah

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I've done we go back to 10 Oh

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independent feature film sensors

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connected is in with that also to Star

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Trek you've written novels for the son

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of Trenton Star Wars some Wars to

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correct this and other well certainly

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know that the Star Wars novels were the

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early 1990s and it was after Return of

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the Jedi and there was a long space of a

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number of years there before we got to

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the next one in the series so convince

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nucca stone to let us meaning my wife

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right series of books just let me keep

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the characters alive and particular the

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minds of kids because they were oriented

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toward young readers but we didn't

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develop Darth Vader the lost city of the

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J Zorba the Hutt's revenge nice javis

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fire I have to admit see i am a

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paranormal 14 UFO research in essence of

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the science fiction yes but then then

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came mission for map yoda queen of the

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Empire and province of the dark side and

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these were all around the world many

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languages it was really great in fact

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you know there is a certain degree of

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adversity between science fiction and

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the paranormal there seems to be a

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belief on the part of the sci-fi crowd

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than all of this is nonsense are pretty

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much a little bit at what we it was your

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feelings along that line at the

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beginning my own personal feelings I got

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sort of sucked into the tactics of UFOs

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the paranormal one life after death and

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other topics that are often considered

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French topics by the so-called

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mainstream I got sucked in through

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personal experience because when I was

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younger before you've had direct

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exposure to any of this you've only got

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what do you have to go on with your

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friends telling you may have seen on TV

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which may have read but it's nothing

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like personal experience to galvanize

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you into a different way of looking with

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things that's what happened to meet with

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UFOs that eventually resulted in I'm

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making the Roswell for showtimes why

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don't you if i recall correctly you had

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a UFO sighting that kind of changed her

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your thinking on this because the Sun

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looking out the window or something as

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my daughter in your daughter okay yeah

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that makes a great story I had together

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well she was nine at the time and I had

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just finished out my work on the trend

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of the transformer ship I was the

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production coordinator for Marvel all

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the original transformers cartoons and

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we had wound down it was the early in

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1987 so on februari twenty-fifth

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office my daughter some acting school

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day it's around four thirty in

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and she's upstairs and she screams at me

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daddy get upstairs right now I see a

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flying saucer and my reaction was good

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you're black [\h__\h] is interrupting me

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again but she insisted that it was a

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flying saucer so I ran upstairs and she

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pointed out her window and my

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six-year-old son came in at about the

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same time we're all looking out the

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window at affording saucer not a good

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year blimp let's get that sir hey not a

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helicopter not a weather balloon I'd

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never seen anything like it before my

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life that was a classically

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saucer-shaped it was sort of a dull grey

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so it was daylight you know for four

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thirty in the afternoon soup bowl upside

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down on the top that was the shape you

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know upside down plate meaning a

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right-side up plate and a shallow bowl

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on the bottom maneuvering like i've

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never seen anything with a burger

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exhausted and make a sound and it

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descended from a dramatic sky and we

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stepped out on the roof to watch it and

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it approached us came pretty close and

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it was over the neighbor's house across

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the street and kind of low over the road

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in front of our house and there was it

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over hit a little wobble to it then it

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would fly sideways you know without a

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waffle one watched it four minutes and

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swooped out across the valley where we

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live looking down at it then and then at

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disappears god never when you say

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disappears it shot straight up without

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foot thought it was gone it just like it

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it was just this is one of the things

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about it that really upset one of your

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rational mind at first because I kept

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trying to save myself what happened did

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I could I have glanced away for innocent

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and did it swoop off to the side was

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concealed by trees and no i don't think

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that ever happened it was heading toward

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going down over the valley went over

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some very tall palm trees and was

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heading toward a three-story denim house

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that had once been a no-fee Storybrooke

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so Tim to wrap up the league experience

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later was the anniversary of what they

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call the battle of Los Angeles it was

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the anniversary of that that UFO

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incident expres witness today yes and it

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also happened at a point in time where

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the previous November there have been a

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very famous UFO case that even in Time

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magazine over Alaska maybe near

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Alaska and the pilot let it be known

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radioing to the ground that he could see

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a mothership cute shaped you two times

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skeptics you know like Phil class who

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was with us in those days and would

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debunk everything before even knew the

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details he would already have it

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classified as either a weather balloon

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reports for a while and everything was

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confirmed and this thing happened never

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mind that unfortunately the pilot

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captain to route she was let go for

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having opened his mouth about what he

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saw but so that I mean that was on the

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west coast I'll biet Alaska so I wonder

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you know was that it was that true was

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that thing cube-shaped thing hanging

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saucer I saw something like the ones he

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the street and that started me taking

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UFOs saucers very seriously I started

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subject and that's when i came across

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the roswell incident free person how did

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you hear about the muslim well it was

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actually Roy Thinnes the star of home

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invaders I one time introduced road

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offenders of the UFO conference now Roy

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about UFOs and I got to talk to Robert

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that while he was making that movie that

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he had inside information from people

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from Washington and engineers have been

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working on these things and he began

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taking it all very seriously based on

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what he heard it that time he introduced

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me in turn to Roy Thinnes and said once

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him where you saw this thing maybe he'll

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write up a report which he did and Royce

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sent it to the Center for UFO studies in

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Chicago that's how I met Donna Schmidt

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famous Roswell researcher and you know

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Roy brought over a lot of UFO books he

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said I should should read he brought

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over clear intent which is one of the

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classics he brought over some Donald

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Kehoe books he told me I had to read the

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report on

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objects by captain belt and one of the

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interesting things there was that rue

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belt goes into great detail about the

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saucer sightings of the summer of

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nineteen forty-seven and a lot of them

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descriptions of the more just exactly

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like what I had seen so I said to myself

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look if I want to have the theory that

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maybe what I saw was some recently

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constructed experimental craft from the

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Jet Propulsion Laboratory then how do I

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explain the fact that people were seeing

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the same thing in 1947 because the Jet

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back back then so you know I did my own

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investigations I did the readings that

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recommended by Roy Thinnes and he want

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me a book about the Roswell incident he

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said I think that this really was alien

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1947 and that's what started me on the

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path to making what became the show time

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originally it was supposed to be for

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hbo's it was well originally you see my

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sighting was in 1987 and I met Donna

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Schmidt when he came out to my house to

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sort of investigate he did a story for

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internationally will forward border

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matter after having been connected

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through with this so it took us year a

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couple of years to get network

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interested I for write a first draft

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everybody in Hollywood rejected it was

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tragic I was so upset no studio wanted

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to touch it network then why did they

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consider it was a hot potato or yeah

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their general response was if it had

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happened I would have heard of it and

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by getting off on a tangent claiming

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something that's gonna blow up in our

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face you had wanted to do it as a

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science fiction movie you probably

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wouldn't have had that obviously

273
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wouldn't I had those objections but

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didn't want to do that way we wanted to

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do the story as it was reported by the

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people that were there particularly

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Marcel family Jesse Marcel and his son

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Jesse Jr so eventually I met up

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with jeremy Kagan who I had gone to the

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school the American function dude and I

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pitched into Jeremy I knew he had

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directed a bunch of things for Ichigo

283
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scott joplin's story he'd done a few

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features including the chosen so Jeremy

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loved the idea and he took it to HBO and

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they made a development deal with us and

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so now we were seeing a little money

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after a few years and then they hired

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Arthur kapit it was a very famous and

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wonderful American playwright to write a

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screenplay and he wrote Draft after

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Draft after graft and kept him at it

293
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first they had Jeremy and me right out

294
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of treatment because they didn't want to

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shoot the script I had written in first

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so we wrote a treatment and then we all

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ended up with story gray but our third

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did what I thought was brilliant

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streamlight and then HBO decided after

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year and a half they didn't want to do

301
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it in they showed us to the door because

302
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they had another flying saucer movie

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they wanted to do it sick which was the

304
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attack of the 50 foot woman remake well

305
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there you go that's what they had said

306
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of Roswell at HBO and you know we ended

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up then six months later being picked up

308
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by show time to make it was wonderful

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working with them

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we had an ample budget to do it really

311
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really well it was done well I I'm not

312
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big on cable TV's moody's the series and

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stuff like that but this one really

314
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looked the part I mean it was it was

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perfectly set in that period we know all

316
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the right people working on it you know

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that we a lot of work went into the

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costumes and as you said getting all the

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right cars and recreating the military

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bases its not affect we breed we built

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the front of the Roswell base you know

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for so we did you shoot well we shot in

323
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many places and nothing in actual

324
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Roswell and with apologies to the people

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of Roswell who've been pretty wonderful

326
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through the years you know they have a

327
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museum there about UFOs now but Russell

328
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today is just full of dennys wendys and

329
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yes you know it doesn't look like the

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1947 town so we chose Bisbee Arizona

331
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yeah yeah we still look very 1947 it had

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hills which is very non risible yes the

333
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people in Roswell recoiled when they saw

334
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these hills in their town in our movie

335
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but it worked well and we shot it a

336
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ranch near there and then we we used we

337
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use the van nuys airport for some of the

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the rustle of military base because it

339
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was a World War two airport did you talk

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to anyone who had actually been involved

341
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Marcel oh yes I talked to everyone is

342
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there was still alive what anything to

343
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say now the way I had that happened was

344
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through a Don Schmidt and his co-author

345
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at that time Kevin random because they

346
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went when I optioned the book they were

347
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writing they were still researching it

348
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and I went down to Roswell repeatedly

349
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with them as a matter of fact I drove

350
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them witness the witness of some of

351
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these places and there are a couple that

352
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I wasn't permitted to go in and one in

353
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particular certain captain

354
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but the others I spoke to I got to

355
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listen to the granddaughter town sheriff

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and Jesse Marcel jr. and the mortician

357
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Glenn Dennis you know Tina then we're

358
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willing how cartilage about did you buy

359
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and how much did you say huh I bought it

360
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I wanted I after hearing from people

361
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that were there at that time and hearing

362
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and the extent that the military went to

363
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to bring about silence on this issue and

364
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sort of just wipe it out of

365
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it was very emotionally impactful to be

366
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in direct contact with these people and

367
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really get their history and I do want

368
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to say that when our movie was coming

369
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out the Pentagon was working on a new

370
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Roswell record its famous mobile home

371
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and I didn't buy that but I was really

372
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interested in the fact that they put out

373
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like a thousand page report right of

374
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which 800 850 pages of it or you know

375
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diagrams and reports they're very little

376
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to do with this is he at all but it made

377
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it a name you have arrested a remaining

378
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impressive and one of the things that

379
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helped convince me that the Roswell

380
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incident was real was the work that the

381
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government went to to convince us that

382
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it wasn't I mean can you imagine as the

383
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government ever tried to convince us to

384
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go see stone axes and and this roswell

385
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incident happened 50 years ago and they

386
00:20:04,419 --> 00:20:01,370
went to so much work to say it didn't

387
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happen you got it all wrong we eyes

388
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we're telling the truth this time we

389
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want to move on to some reason subject I

390
00:20:15,340 --> 00:20:12,710
do have one last question yeah is there

391
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anything that you would if you could go

392
00:20:21,610 --> 00:20:18,530
back and change about the movie no I

393
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love the movie the way the way it is and

394
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you know Arthur carpets script is just

395
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beautiful and Jeremy Kagan's direction

396
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the act

397
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I i was so pleased with it and it's

398
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become kind of a classic on TV oh yeah

399
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I'm TV probably 100 times now the DVD is

400
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hard to find now you showed it you said

401
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people go get it but I don't know where

402
00:20:46,750 --> 00:20:43,640
you're going to get it i think i've got

403
00:20:49,210 --> 00:20:46,760
a bet i'll try you baby i got because

404
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:49,220
i've got like the last 50 copies it's

405
00:20:53,950 --> 00:20:52,250
not in circulation it may be pirated

406
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:53,960
somewhere and i would never tell anyone

407
00:20:58,060 --> 00:20:56,090
to watch anything i read it unless it

408
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was completely out of circulation and

409
00:21:03,040 --> 00:20:59,450
you were being prevented from seeing it

410
00:21:06,220 --> 00:21:03,050
by that so you know you look forward

411
00:21:08,380 --> 00:21:06,230
under also the title roswell the UFO

412
00:21:11,170 --> 00:21:08,390
cover-up that's what this yeah yeah

413
00:21:12,790 --> 00:21:11,180
because they added that subtitle for the

414
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DVD but that was never I try to

415
00:21:16,990 --> 00:21:14,330
understand because people might think it

416
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:17,000
was about the TV serious the series came

417
00:21:25,210 --> 00:21:20,890
later date they liked our title funny

418
00:21:29,770 --> 00:21:25,220
well you've grown from UFO skeptic to

419
00:21:34,020 --> 00:21:29,780
UFO believer but in recent times you've

420
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:34,030
even gone beyond that yeah you are now

421
00:21:41,660 --> 00:21:37,410
promoting the possibility

422
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:41,670
life after death yes and that's a big

423
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:44,490
that's a big step that's a very big

424
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:46,890
fellow some tell us about I find this to

425
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:53,010
be the best presentation on the subject

426
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:54,690
course I've been involved in the end of

427
00:22:00,020 --> 00:21:56,250
the parent world for years of people

428
00:22:03,470 --> 00:22:00,030
that embody experiences experiences but

429
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:03,480
this proves that there is either life

430
00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:05,840
after death or there is some

431
00:22:11,090 --> 00:22:08,130
intelligence out there as it's making

432
00:22:13,610 --> 00:22:11,100
this what first of all this is called

433
00:22:15,650 --> 00:22:13,620
the life after death project if you're

434
00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:15,660
looking for it's easy to find in our

435
00:22:23,060 --> 00:22:19,140
mind and we can constrain it but us say

436
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:23,070
it's it became two DVDs because there's

437
00:22:28,610 --> 00:22:26,730
also the sequel I had just did so much

438
00:22:32,540 --> 00:22:28,620
material that couldn't of it so it's

439
00:22:34,850 --> 00:22:32,550
almost four hours plus bonus materials

440
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:34,860
they put the first one on sci fi after I

441
00:22:40,010 --> 00:22:36,720
was yes I saw that like two o'clock in

442
00:22:46,130 --> 00:22:40,020
the morning yeah yeah we're midnight or

443
00:22:48,380 --> 00:22:46,140
so I I make a lot of midnight movies you

444
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:48,390
know to not not to not upset the

445
00:22:53,420 --> 00:22:50,970
mainstream because people would stay up

446
00:22:58,100 --> 00:22:53,430
at midnight her cookie Anna Maria and I

447
00:23:00,530 --> 00:22:58,110
guess I but the thing about this is it's

448
00:23:01,570 --> 00:23:00,540
another subject that I was just sucked

449
00:23:04,210 --> 00:23:01,580
into that I had

450
00:23:07,390 --> 00:23:04,220
no interested in I never thought I was

451
00:23:09,940 --> 00:23:07,400
going to go in that direction until

452
00:23:13,090 --> 00:23:09,950
Forrest J Ackerman passed away and made

453
00:23:17,050 --> 00:23:13,100
good on his promise and his promise as a

454
00:23:24,700 --> 00:23:17,060
skeptic in a non-believer was that if it

455
00:23:26,410 --> 00:23:24,710
was wrong and he found that he woke up

456
00:23:29,020 --> 00:23:26,420
to some great science fiction convention

457
00:23:32,580 --> 00:23:29,030
in the sky as he was an aficionado of

458
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:32,590
science fiction a very famous than feel

459
00:23:39,820 --> 00:23:36,050
that if he was wrong maybe he dropped me

460
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:39,830
a line so well you know Tim I got

461
00:23:46,060 --> 00:23:42,410
dropped a line other people got dropped

462
00:23:50,260 --> 00:23:46,070
a line after he passed and the most

463
00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:50,270
bizarre one I think outside glee thing

464
00:23:55,420 --> 00:23:51,710
that you got there were two gether the

465
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ink of the ink is the young guys science

466
00:23:59,200 --> 00:23:57,230
fiction fans who down to the monthly

467
00:24:02,710 --> 00:23:59,210
were to his grace yeah to where the body

468
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:02,720
was in tune and they knocked on the two

469
00:24:06,850 --> 00:24:04,250
him and then when they got back to the

470
00:24:08,860 --> 00:24:06,860
hotel room they were various websites

471
00:24:10,030 --> 00:24:08,870
and one of the codes that you had to

472
00:24:15,610 --> 00:24:10,040
type in to get to the way it was

473
00:24:20,380 --> 00:24:15,620
Ackerman Ackerman 000 yeah you know the

474
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:20,390
timing of all of this was part of the

475
00:24:27,730 --> 00:24:24,410
impact of it because he died in early

476
00:24:30,370 --> 00:24:27,740
December in December fourth of 2008 no I

477
00:24:33,670 --> 00:24:30,380
miss 1992 okay I think we should mention

478
00:24:35,710 --> 00:24:33,680
i tella yet see i'm in a bar every every

479
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:35,720
young boy especially who has ever

480
00:24:39,940 --> 00:24:38,570
followed horror or science fiction

481
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:39,950
movies with know who far as

482
00:24:45,490 --> 00:24:42,559
he was the editor for many many years of

483
00:24:47,259 --> 00:24:45,500
Famous Monsters magazine yes if you go

484
00:24:49,659 --> 00:24:47,269
back to the old issues you'll find

485
00:24:52,750 --> 00:24:49,669
letters and photographs of them fans

486
00:24:54,940 --> 00:24:52,760
like Steven Spielberg and Stephen King

487
00:24:56,649 --> 00:24:54,950
everybody everybody read the magazine

488
00:24:59,500 --> 00:24:56,659
including me everybody all right and he

489
00:25:02,200 --> 00:24:59,510
grew up with a pen we grew up with the

490
00:25:05,259 --> 00:25:02,210
magazine and far fari Ackerman Forrest J

491
00:25:08,740 --> 00:25:05,269
Ackerman was the editor how he loved him

492
00:25:11,289 --> 00:25:08,750
and he had a house in Hollywood that he

493
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:11,299
called the after mansion and this house

494
00:25:17,759 --> 00:25:14,960
was filled in 18 rooms from floor

495
00:25:20,889 --> 00:25:17,769
ceiling including been in the bathrooms

496
00:25:22,450 --> 00:25:20,899
with memorabilia from all the great

497
00:25:24,399 --> 00:25:22,460
science fiction and horror movies that

498
00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:24,409
we grew up with and love because fari

499
00:25:34,899 --> 00:25:30,110
had collected everything so you know he

500
00:25:37,299 --> 00:25:34,909
was born in the early 1900s and he grew

501
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:37,309
up with the silent movies first you know

502
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:40,960
metropolis was the star wars of his day

503
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:46,130
and he popularized science fiction he

504
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:49,250
came up with the term sci-fi and we all

505
00:25:54,190 --> 00:25:51,049
felt that we had a connection to him

506
00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:54,200
through the personal style and approach

507
00:25:58,750 --> 00:25:57,110
he had a Famous Monsters magazine he

508
00:26:01,120 --> 00:25:58,760
felt he was talking to you when he was

509
00:26:02,769 --> 00:26:01,130
telling you the secrets behind special

510
00:26:05,129 --> 00:26:02,779
effects and how they made these movies

511
00:26:08,139 --> 00:26:05,139
and the important makeup men and

512
00:26:12,610 --> 00:26:08,149
screenwriters and he did it with such a

513
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,620
sense of humor loved puns he never could

514
00:26:18,340 --> 00:26:14,480
resist an opportunity to crack a joke

515
00:26:20,529 --> 00:26:18,350
and he loved wordplay putz especially

516
00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:20,539
twists of words it was always popping

517
00:26:25,299 --> 00:26:22,070
something idea that would get you to the

518
00:26:28,509 --> 00:26:25,309
lab so I got to know fari when I was a

519
00:26:30,879 --> 00:26:28,519
young film student well first i was when

520
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:30,889
i was a young teenager I was a one of

521
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:33,130
the winners and early Famous Monsters

522
00:26:40,930 --> 00:26:37,760
amateur movie contest so I got a letter

523
00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:40,940
from fari to master movie maker Paul

524
00:26:44,139 --> 00:26:42,769
David's on 13 years old and I'm

525
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:44,149
ambassador would be back there according

526
00:26:53,379 --> 00:26:49,279
to this guy was by hero it was like it

527
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:53,389
was good predictor of everything so then

528
00:26:56,740 --> 00:26:55,279
I went to film school of the AFI I got

529
00:27:00,639 --> 00:26:56,750
to know a little bit i visited the

530
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:00,649
ackerman umpteen times spent so many

531
00:27:04,779 --> 00:27:02,809
days going through the files and the

532
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:04,789
folders of all the lobby cards and

533
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:08,690
photos that he had a great library so we

534
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:11,570
were buddies for decades

535
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:14,330
and I was one of the speakers of the

536
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:16,810
tribute for him when he passed away in

537
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:20,510
his caretaker of the last 10 years was

538
00:27:25,630 --> 00:27:23,450
like Jomo but together with help from

539
00:27:28,690 --> 00:27:25,640
others a wonderful tribute at the

540
00:27:31,630 --> 00:27:28,700
egyptian theater in the early march of

541
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:31,640
2009 couple months after he died and

542
00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:34,970
that day the day of the tribute was the

543
00:27:40,810 --> 00:27:38,510
day the weird stuff started and it

544
00:27:45,310 --> 00:27:40,820
started with the two Canadian filmmakers

545
00:27:47,050 --> 00:27:45,320
Ian Paul Johnson and Michael McDonald

546
00:27:50,170 --> 00:27:47,060
they had made a documentary about

547
00:27:52,030 --> 00:27:50,180
farming a bio about him I had made a

548
00:27:54,730 --> 00:27:52,040
film about Farry that became quite

549
00:27:58,990 --> 00:27:54,740
famous you know it called the sci-fi

550
00:28:01,600 --> 00:27:59,000
boys that's been on TV dozens of times

551
00:28:04,990 --> 00:28:01,610
too it's easy to find out there and it

552
00:28:08,590 --> 00:28:05,000
it's the history of special effects with

553
00:28:11,020 --> 00:28:08,600
Peter Jackson as the host from the very

554
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:11,030
early silent days through Peter

555
00:28:15,910 --> 00:28:13,010
Jackson's income and it showed the

556
00:28:17,770 --> 00:28:15,920
tremendous influence of ours geography

557
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:17,780
just sort of God hamari from now on

558
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:21,010
party farias influence on everyone

559
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:25,600
in this field no one escape is his

560
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:29,710
influence he was the Pied Piper so these

561
00:28:34,110 --> 00:28:32,110
two Canadian filmmakers had made a film

562
00:28:36,030 --> 00:28:34,120
about a minutes they're going to speak

563
00:28:37,950 --> 00:28:36,040
and show the film and distribute I'm

564
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,960
going to speak at the tribute that day

565
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:39,760
they as you said they went to the grip

566
00:28:45,870 --> 00:28:42,370
they playfully knock down as Krypton

567
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:45,880
safari the air you know it's us and they

568
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:48,690
felt they got a response from within

569
00:28:56,330 --> 00:28:52,050
and our come to computers and I heard

570
00:28:59,480 --> 00:28:56,340
the story of the station to me hi I've

571
00:29:02,240 --> 00:28:59,490
heard from him the same way and I heard

572
00:29:05,540 --> 00:29:02,250
from him in a way that there was

573
00:29:08,390 --> 00:29:05,550
physical evidence that i could take to

574
00:29:14,450 --> 00:29:08,400
science labs because it was a written

575
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:14,460
message that was made through blacking

576
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:18,210
out for words on a document and there's

577
00:29:24,460 --> 00:29:22,050
no physical explanation for how this

578
00:29:27,890 --> 00:29:24,470
happened I was alone in the house I

579
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:27,900
document was fine nothing unusual about

580
00:29:32,330 --> 00:29:29,850
it at all i'm out of the room briefly

581
00:29:35,390 --> 00:29:32,340
and when I come back it's still moist

582
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:35,400
where someone or something has blacked

583
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:38,730
out for words very precisely at two

584
00:29:44,060 --> 00:29:40,530
different levels of intensity of

585
00:29:47,870 --> 00:29:44,070
darkness of the stones I got scientists

586
00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:47,880
involved studying the ink and after

587
00:29:51,610 --> 00:29:49,980
three years of studies something they

588
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:51,620
thought they would wrap up in a week

589
00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:54,480
they are on record as saying science

590
00:30:01,889 --> 00:29:58,570
can't explain this they cannot dedicate

591
00:30:03,870 --> 00:30:01,899
and you see their explanations in the

592
00:30:06,419 --> 00:30:03,880
film one of the scientists is just

593
00:30:10,139 --> 00:30:06,429
written a 30 page paper saying this

594
00:30:12,090 --> 00:30:10,149
which will be in a book that were we're

595
00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:12,100
writing about it I say we because I've

596
00:30:19,379 --> 00:30:16,440
joined up with dr. Gary Schwartz is

597
00:30:22,620 --> 00:30:19,389
better in Arizona studies life after

598
00:30:23,539 --> 00:30:22,630
death and mediums and he's ready to book

599
00:30:26,779 --> 00:30:23,549
with me

600
00:30:29,239 --> 00:30:26,789
document it wasn't just one or two or

601
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:29,249
three weird things after fari past it's

602
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:31,919
been a hundred things it's been a

603
00:30:36,229 --> 00:30:33,919
hundred things it's been like he's in

604
00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:36,239
touching these things they relate to him

605
00:30:41,139 --> 00:30:39,480
they're strange you never know when to

606
00:30:43,940 --> 00:30:41,149
expect that something is going to happen

607
00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:43,950
some people may say well some of it is

608
00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:46,769
coincidence synchronicity but a lot of

609
00:30:53,299 --> 00:30:50,340
it is purely physical you know now you

610
00:30:55,399 --> 00:30:53,309
sent me a couple of copies of video DVD

611
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:55,409
set yeah I was anxious to show it to my

612
00:30:58,129 --> 00:30:56,850
friends who may be a little skeptical

613
00:31:01,519 --> 00:30:58,139
about it was subject but at least

614
00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:01,529
interested in it about two weeks ago

615
00:31:07,820 --> 00:31:05,129
around the time you call the tummy were

616
00:31:10,220 --> 00:31:07,830
coming into town I was sitting there at

617
00:31:11,899 --> 00:31:10,230
night something's who did TV we got a

618
00:31:15,379 --> 00:31:11,909
thousand and two stations and nothing to

619
00:31:19,330 --> 00:31:15,389
watch on it so I came to a movie that I

620
00:31:23,869 --> 00:31:19,340
had never seen before and it was called

621
00:31:26,090 --> 00:31:23,879
premium rush okay so I asked a friend of

622
00:31:29,299 --> 00:31:26,100
mine i said it's this worthwhile seeing

623
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:29,309
and she explained to me the the in

624
00:31:33,739 --> 00:31:30,720
simple terms of plot of the movie it's

625
00:31:36,049 --> 00:31:33,749
about New York of bicycle messengers

626
00:31:39,639 --> 00:31:36,059
okay so that didn't sound too exciting

627
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:39,649
but I turned it on and it had up it just

628
00:31:43,869 --> 00:31:42,090
conspiracy involved into trying to grab

629
00:31:45,399 --> 00:31:43,879
this package from this kid

630
00:31:49,479 --> 00:31:45,409
to deliver it within a couple of hours

631
00:31:51,099 --> 00:31:49,489
or you lose the money ok so that's all

632
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:51,109
right so I'm watching it and the guys

633
00:31:57,359 --> 00:31:53,690
was trying to grab the package who is a

634
00:32:00,869 --> 00:31:57,369
dirty cop New York City detective

635
00:32:03,219 --> 00:32:00,879
somebody asks him what's your name

636
00:32:07,209 --> 00:32:03,229
because he shows him a badge and he said

637
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:07,219
my name is Forrest J Ackerman and I said

638
00:32:10,919 --> 00:32:09,289
he couldn't possibly said that he didn't

639
00:32:14,769 --> 00:32:10,929
mean that that was his real name

640
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:14,779
obviously it's a what is the X a phony

641
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,849
name is given is a store in a story

642
00:32:20,379 --> 00:32:19,039
right ok and two or three tell ya

643
00:32:22,089 --> 00:32:20,389
another time he shows his van to

644
00:32:23,769 --> 00:32:22,099
somebody says I'm from the internal

645
00:32:26,589 --> 00:32:23,779
revenue service but it's a new york city

646
00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:26,599
today so she says you're not you know

647
00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:28,190
for the internal revenue of the bench

648
00:32:32,619 --> 00:32:30,169
says the New York City detective is a

649
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:32,629
lot for us day after man so this goes on

650
00:32:36,579 --> 00:32:34,369
throughout the movies I said there's got

651
00:32:39,069 --> 00:32:36,589
to be something to now and this this

652
00:32:41,049 --> 00:32:39,079
movie here was right next to the TV set

653
00:32:43,209 --> 00:32:41,059
because I could just put it on to watch

654
00:32:44,439 --> 00:32:43,219
it for like the third and your point is

655
00:32:46,059 --> 00:32:44,449
there's a thousand movies you could have

656
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:46,069
chose to watch at that time in that

657
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:47,809
subtle I mean it's not like watch like

658
00:32:50,739 --> 00:32:49,279
watching something that you know I don't

659
00:32:51,939 --> 00:32:50,749
know how many times in Terraria that's

660
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:51,949
part of it before I don't know how many

661
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:55,279
other people have either but I there's

662
00:33:00,579 --> 00:32:57,679
all I have a whole list in fact i'm

663
00:33:02,439 --> 00:33:00,589
working on that the DVD or know your son

664
00:33:03,939 --> 00:33:02,449
it's just about synchronicity i can go

665
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:03,949
into a town that i've never been before

666
00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:06,769
and run into people that used to live in

667
00:33:09,860 --> 00:33:07,860
New Yorker that I

668
00:33:11,299 --> 00:33:09,870
no they don't know I'm in town they'll

669
00:33:12,620 --> 00:33:11,309
and my phone number they don't know

670
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:12,630
where I'm going to be in there there

671
00:33:17,450 --> 00:33:14,970
yeah it's fact it's absolutely

672
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:17,460
absolutely fascinating I think I think

673
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:20,610
that there is some someone controlling

674
00:33:25,460 --> 00:33:22,890
this I don't know I mean it's not the

675
00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:25,470
master intelligence of the universe or

676
00:33:30,380 --> 00:33:27,510
somewhere below that level I don't know

677
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:30,390
I mean john keells you know charles fort

678
00:33:34,340 --> 00:33:32,250
would say we're all kind of like chess

679
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:34,350
pieces on a cosmic chess board yeah

680
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:35,610
there's some of these moving the pieces

681
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:37,650
every year you know once in a while

682
00:33:41,570 --> 00:33:39,450
maybe that's their way of entertaining

683
00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:41,580
themselves you having a good laugh and

684
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:43,620
they know they've got a supper here cool

685
00:33:47,060 --> 00:33:45,600
with you know who will report this and

686
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:47,070
tell everybody about it because most

687
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:48,450
people who talk about their

688
00:33:52,159 --> 00:33:50,010
synchronicities you kind of look at them

689
00:33:54,919 --> 00:33:52,169
in your eyes glaze over because they're

690
00:33:57,289 --> 00:33:54,929
only synchronicities them usually an

691
00:34:01,730 --> 00:33:57,299
army well that's part of the meaning of

692
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:01,740
it because when when psychiatrist Carl

693
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:04,410
Jung yes came up with that term

694
00:34:10,820 --> 00:34:07,440
synchronicity he was describing a type

695
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:10,830
of coincidence that is first of all

696
00:34:15,770 --> 00:34:12,450
extremely probable that it would ever

697
00:34:19,250 --> 00:34:15,780
happen but that isn't it's imbued with

698
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:19,260
very powerful meaning to the

699
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,210
specifically holder of that coincidence

700
00:34:25,220 --> 00:34:23,760
where it means something more to the

701
00:34:27,290 --> 00:34:25,230
person that suddenly preceding it than

702
00:34:30,980 --> 00:34:27,300
it would do what does it mean to anybody

703
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:30,990
else and and this they've been books

704
00:34:34,609 --> 00:34:32,760
written about it synchronicity is a lot

705
00:34:37,849 --> 00:34:34,619
of books and them and the ultimate

706
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:37,859
philosophical question is is it all just

707
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:40,159
coincidence you know because

708
00:34:47,010 --> 00:34:42,169
the one in a million shot is always

709
00:34:50,379 --> 00:34:47,020
going to come on sue time or is there

710
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:50,389
agent icity and agent of thinking agents

711
00:34:54,369 --> 00:34:51,919
behind it which is the word that the

712
00:34:56,559 --> 00:34:54,379
skeptics they hate the concept that

713
00:34:59,710 --> 00:34:56,569
there's any agent icity and what they

714
00:35:02,049 --> 00:34:59,720
consider a cold dry dead universe yeah

715
00:35:05,319 --> 00:35:02,059
that has no God and no intelligence no

716
00:35:07,569 --> 00:35:05,329
it couldn't so you either look at it one

717
00:35:10,829 --> 00:35:07,579
way or the other and I choose to look at

718
00:35:13,660 --> 00:35:10,839
that everything is interconnected and

719
00:35:16,210 --> 00:35:13,670
the universe is constantly full of

720
00:35:18,130 --> 00:35:16,220
surprises and ironies for us and that

721
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:18,140
some of these messages that seem very

722
00:35:25,690 --> 00:35:22,400
personal are real messages and they are

723
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:25,700
personal but but but I want to say that

724
00:35:32,620 --> 00:35:28,640
the case for life after death does not

725
00:35:35,950 --> 00:35:32,630
rest on synchronicities there's all

726
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:35,960
kinds of evidence of this Victor samet

727
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:38,089
has written a book a lawyer presents the

728
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:40,609
case for the afterlife weary as I had 22

729
00:35:46,299 --> 00:35:44,210
chapters with 22 different types of

730
00:35:50,260 --> 00:35:46,309
evidence that would make us conclude

731
00:35:52,059 --> 00:35:50,270
that our consciousness goes on after we

732
00:35:54,490 --> 00:35:52,069
passing I mean do you think that there's

733
00:35:55,390 --> 00:35:54,500
an actual are we talking about simply

734
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:55,400
some kind of

735
00:36:01,480 --> 00:35:57,650
random consciousness or are we talking

736
00:36:04,289 --> 00:36:01,490
about a place that we go to where there

737
00:36:08,319 --> 00:36:04,299
are millions of other souls and well

738
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:08,329
liked in UFOs it depends upon how far

739
00:36:11,980 --> 00:36:09,650
you want to go with the theories before

740
00:36:14,099 --> 00:36:11,990
you got the train did say wait a minute

741
00:36:18,549 --> 00:36:14,109
I'm going to lose i'm in la la llanta

742
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:18,559
and I guess everybody has to decide I

743
00:36:26,380 --> 00:36:23,119
mean Victor's amat and Mark Macy and

744
00:36:29,799 --> 00:36:26,390
others will present evidence for actual

745
00:36:32,890 --> 00:36:29,809
voices of deceased people communicate

746
00:36:36,099 --> 00:36:32,900
inches now on computers and the voice

747
00:36:40,269 --> 00:36:36,109
and conversations over the telephone

748
00:36:42,130 --> 00:36:40,279
with wrote of a I think was the name of

749
00:36:45,460 --> 00:36:42,140
the scientist was one of the first to

750
00:36:47,769 --> 00:36:45,470
research electronic voice phenomena and

751
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:47,779
he passed away and mark may see you can

752
00:36:54,460 --> 00:36:50,690
go to his website and listen to a

753
00:36:58,599 --> 00:36:54,470
conversation he had where wrote evade he

754
00:37:01,690 --> 00:36:58,609
says telephone from the death and is it

755
00:37:04,180 --> 00:37:01,700
wrote a vase sure sounds like it I mean

756
00:37:06,819 --> 00:37:04,190
that you know the skeptic would say up

757
00:37:09,849 --> 00:37:06,829
hooks somebody's gotta be it's gotta be

758
00:37:12,130 --> 00:37:09,859
a trick you know we're all sunny when I

759
00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:12,140
don't start out as stuff up all day all

760
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:13,910
night and so they just start out

761
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:15,529
thinking that way but the case just

762
00:37:20,410 --> 00:37:17,450
keeps building and building and building

763
00:37:22,420 --> 00:37:20,420
I mean for me you know I've got hundred

764
00:37:26,109 --> 00:37:22,430
things that have happened to me now

765
00:37:30,279 --> 00:37:26,119
actual mind-boggling things you know I

766
00:37:33,339 --> 00:37:30,289
have a plastic mask of the face fart in

767
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:33,349
my home office that I got it his estate

768
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:36,650
sale and it was in his Accra mansion for

769
00:37:41,610 --> 00:37:39,310
many many years on top of a costume

770
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:41,620
of him what representing what he wore to

771
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:43,090
the first science-fiction to mention in

772
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:46,240
19 38 or 39 and I have this mask and

773
00:37:51,740 --> 00:37:48,250
it's been in the same place for four

774
00:37:53,820 --> 00:37:51,750
years and the day I got the phone call

775
00:37:55,530 --> 00:37:53,830
in the morning I get the phone call

776
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,540
telling me my film is going to be

777
00:38:00,060 --> 00:37:57,520
broadcast on the sci-fi channel which

778
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:00,070
means it's not going to just be on a

779
00:38:03,330 --> 00:38:02,110
movie anymore you know people are going

780
00:38:04,740 --> 00:38:03,340
to hear about it it's going to be a real

781
00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:04,750
thing out there in the real world that's

782
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:08,470
great news so was sorry on the other

783
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:10,720
side happy about this let me tell you

784
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:12,880
what happened I went out to lunch

785
00:38:17,310 --> 00:38:15,490
there's nobody in my house the doors are

786
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:17,320
locked door to my office is closed

787
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:19,690
there's no open windows or fans to blow

788
00:38:24,810 --> 00:38:22,330
anything around and when I returned to

789
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:24,820
the room they face mask Afari and moved

790
00:38:34,109 --> 00:38:27,610
10 feet across the room there was no one

791
00:38:38,789 --> 00:38:34,119
there physically build okay

792
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:38,799
ok FFL see see the life after death

793
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:41,049
project and you'll see how builds and

794
00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:43,089
builds with hundreds of things that have

795
00:38:49,890 --> 00:38:45,910
continued now it's five years and it

796
00:38:52,109 --> 00:38:49,900
still goes on now is there any message

797
00:38:55,769 --> 00:38:52,119
that he is actually yes yes okay well i

798
00:38:59,029 --> 00:38:55,779
think the messages i personally this is

799
00:39:02,430 --> 00:38:59,039
my personal conclusion from it all he

800
00:39:05,279 --> 00:39:02,440
getting an assignment he didn't believe

801
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:05,289
in life after death and those of his

802
00:39:09,749 --> 00:39:07,690
friends who are staunch atheist who

803
00:39:12,539 --> 00:39:09,759
don't believe in it either some of them

804
00:39:14,249 --> 00:39:12,549
are irritated with me for putting words

805
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:14,259
in his mouth after he's gone is saying

806
00:39:18,059 --> 00:39:16,450
he can't defend himself now against your

807
00:39:21,329 --> 00:39:18,069
claims that there's an afterlife this

808
00:39:24,180 --> 00:39:21,339
isn't fair to his legacy and my response

809
00:39:29,099 --> 00:39:24,190
is this is my responsibility to his

810
00:39:33,089 --> 00:39:29,109
legacy i am a witnesses i was a close

811
00:39:35,579 --> 00:39:33,099
friend I was loyal to who the man was

812
00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:35,589
and what his contribution was and I

813
00:39:42,739 --> 00:39:39,220
would never do anything to distort that

814
00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:42,749
or detract for that but I think that

815
00:39:48,660 --> 00:39:45,910
something happened after he passed he

816
00:39:50,849 --> 00:39:48,670
was wrong and that there is a way to

817
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:50,859
bridge the gap between the universe's or

818
00:39:55,780 --> 00:39:53,170
the world's or the dimensions and that

819
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,790
I've been notified again and again

820
00:40:01,780 --> 00:39:57,440
again has that some others and the point

821
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:01,790
of it is I was wrong let's set the

822
00:40:06,130 --> 00:40:03,680
record straight you know your filmmaker

823
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:06,140
these Canadians are filmmakers he went

824
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,930
to people that he's a publicity ready he

825
00:40:12,310 --> 00:40:10,400
went to people that could get the story

826
00:40:16,180 --> 00:40:12,320
out and I've spent five years now

827
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:16,190
getting the story out that life goes on

828
00:40:20,410 --> 00:40:18,650
it doesn't end when we're in the great

829
00:40:22,780 --> 00:40:20,420
as a matter of fact what they lower into

830
00:40:25,150 --> 00:40:22,790
the grave it isn't even us anymore it's

831
00:40:27,370 --> 00:40:25,160
just the remains of what we inhabited as

832
00:40:29,830 --> 00:40:27,380
the vehicle while we were here but

833
00:40:31,890 --> 00:40:29,840
consciousness goes on now where that

834
00:40:34,890 --> 00:40:31,900
exists that continued consciousness

835
00:40:38,020 --> 00:40:34,900
religions have their own answers to that

836
00:40:41,890 --> 00:40:38,030
and spiritualists have their own answers

837
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:41,900
to that and philosophers nobody really

838
00:40:51,220 --> 00:40:47,810
knows but but but somehow continued

839
00:40:53,110 --> 00:40:51,230
contact is possible and happens now do

840
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:53,120
you think that there's any possible

841
00:40:56,130 --> 00:40:55,370
connection between UFOs and the

842
00:41:01,200 --> 00:40:56,140
afterlife

843
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:01,210
I I haven't really considered that I

844
00:41:06,990 --> 00:41:04,330
mean somebody like Whitley's streamer

845
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:07,000
has considered that and he thinks so

846
00:41:12,180 --> 00:41:08,890
because I mean he'll tell stories about

847
00:41:13,950 --> 00:41:12,190
out in some abductions you know people

848
00:41:15,930 --> 00:41:13,960
are seeing dead people of Warcraft or

849
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:15,940
something you know that I haven't wanted

850
00:41:21,060 --> 00:41:18,490
to go there because I sort of have this

851
00:41:22,590 --> 00:41:21,070
thing about don't mix apples and Arjun

852
00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:22,600
so other people want to do it okay but

853
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:24,910
I'm just going to take the evidence I

854
00:41:31,410 --> 00:41:29,170
have and not try to do anything that

855
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:31,420
might strain it to the point where the

856
00:41:37,140 --> 00:41:33,520
credibility snaps for most of my

857
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:37,150
audience but the credibility has this is

858
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:38,770
we are dealing it is something

859
00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:40,960
incredible incredible let me tell you a

860
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:43,750
little a notable story here yeah we all

861
00:41:49,290 --> 00:41:46,090
know who Kenneth Arnold of course she

862
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:49,300
was the person who coined the term

863
00:41:55,020 --> 00:41:52,570
flying saucer yeah well he saw the seven

864
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:55,030
craft is over Mount Rainier that's right

865
00:41:59,550 --> 00:41:57,490
ok well now Kenneth Arnold had more than

866
00:42:01,230 --> 00:41:59,560
when UFO sighting in fact I think he had

867
00:42:04,050 --> 00:42:01,240
seven or eight UFO sightings most people

868
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:04,060
do not realize this vfl Kenneth tomorrow

869
00:42:08,570 --> 00:42:06,300
did not believe that UFOs were

870
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:08,580
extraterrestrials okay all right on

871
00:42:14,910 --> 00:42:11,290
Kenneth Arnold the anniversary of

872
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:14,920
Kenneth Arnold's sighting 224th several

873
00:42:22,740 --> 00:42:17,650
well-known ufologists have passed away

874
00:42:25,650 --> 00:42:22,750
Jackie Gleason Frank Edwards I think

875
00:42:27,780 --> 00:42:25,660
Morris k Jessup Frank edwards's

876
00:42:30,660 --> 00:42:27,790
publisher Lyle Stuart they're all

877
00:42:33,780 --> 00:42:30,670
passing away among anniversary yes and

878
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:33,790
do you know what Kenneth Arnold thought

879
00:42:38,130 --> 00:42:36,130
UFOs work he thought that they were

880
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:38,140
vehicles coming here to take the souls

881
00:42:42,420 --> 00:42:40,240
of the departed over to some other

882
00:42:45,210 --> 00:42:42,430
dimension ok well

883
00:42:46,740 --> 00:42:45,220
I don't know hey I won't hear that for

884
00:42:51,420 --> 00:42:46,750
Paul day that time well you heard from

885
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:51,430
me the eredivisie back oh I'm mr. UFO I

886
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:53,170
can be more spin you can do that that

887
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:55,930
bad yes don't forget also one of my

888
00:43:02,089 --> 00:42:59,440
films is called and I want your let them

889
00:43:05,010 --> 00:43:02,099
listen distant to look this one up to

890
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:05,020
I'm very proud of my movie called Jesus

891
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:07,930
in India Jesus in India about the

892
00:43:14,910 --> 00:43:11,890
missing years of Christ from age 13 to

893
00:43:16,620 --> 00:43:14,920
30 not talked about you know in the New

894
00:43:19,470 --> 00:43:16,630
Testament except for one sentence so

895
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:19,480
where was he and in India there's a lot

896
00:43:23,130 --> 00:43:21,040
of people would say well I came to India

897
00:43:25,620 --> 00:43:23,140
I believe there's really been a burial

898
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:25,630
linaria there well in Kashmir that they

899
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:28,000
are here there's a tube or uses us off

900
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:32,410
uses a little bit like there's a lot of

901
00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:35,170
dispute about that and to film this

902
00:43:41,339 --> 00:43:39,430
movie Jesus india i went to India crew

903
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:41,349
they are six weeks we travel across four

904
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:43,359
thousand miles we went to wear that Thun

905
00:43:50,490 --> 00:43:48,010
is and its a political hot spot there's

906
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:50,500
you know soldiers with rifles every

907
00:43:56,940 --> 00:43:54,250
block and its dangers State Department

908
00:43:59,549 --> 00:43:56,950
said don't go there but we felt that

909
00:44:02,599 --> 00:43:59,559
that the gym there's a lot of fantastic

910
00:44:06,220 --> 00:44:02,609
stories about the too many written up by

911
00:44:11,380 --> 00:44:06,230
Suzanne Olson

912
00:44:12,730 --> 00:44:11,390
books about that and so so of other

913
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:12,740
existence has been books written about

914
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:17,330
the Jesus in India theory but really

915
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:19,280
proud of the fact that I went to India

916
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,400
to explore it I can't say we proved it

917
00:44:27,010 --> 00:44:24,800
but they say where there's smoke there's

918
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:27,020
fire and if you see Jesus in India

919
00:44:33,370 --> 00:44:30,560
you'll see a lot of smoke it's a really

920
00:44:35,050 --> 00:44:33,380
fantastic story but there are some

921
00:44:37,540 --> 00:44:35,060
people that want to mix the Jesus story

922
00:44:40,780 --> 00:44:37,550
with flying saucers to you know like

923
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:40,790
building my ear oh you know and I I

924
00:44:45,820 --> 00:44:44,090
won't go there but for the people want

925
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:45,830
to go there that's it well now we're

926
00:44:50,050 --> 00:44:48,650
we're pushing forward here few minutes

927
00:44:51,550 --> 00:44:50,060
bug out what do you what do you working

928
00:44:56,650 --> 00:44:51,560
on next I mean are we going to go past

929
00:45:00,130 --> 00:44:56,660
this well it's going to be a book about

930
00:45:02,770 --> 00:45:00,140
this and the tentative title is the

931
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:02,780
ninth wonder of the universe there's

932
00:45:10,359 --> 00:45:06,800
going to be a book and I like the

933
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:10,369
viewers to know that I am an

934
00:45:18,070 --> 00:45:13,910
accomplished poet with three books of

935
00:45:21,310 --> 00:45:18,080
poetry published some of it very serious

936
00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:21,320
and some of it very funny and I like you

937
00:45:28,060 --> 00:45:24,910
too you can find them online there's

938
00:45:29,650 --> 00:45:28,070
pose to read while driving on freeways

939
00:45:32,529 --> 00:45:29,660
and other way

940
00:45:36,460 --> 00:45:32,539
die laughing they're supposed to read

941
00:45:39,250 --> 00:45:36,470
when you run out of weed we recommend

942
00:45:41,740 --> 00:45:39,260
that you read the book not smoking and

943
00:45:43,779 --> 00:45:41,750
then there's left brain bones for right

944
00:45:45,309 --> 00:45:43,789
brain people that's the one of the

945
00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:45,319
serious ponies you'll find a poem about

946
00:45:51,549 --> 00:45:47,510
fari there you'll find a lot about Edgar

947
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:51,559
Allan Poe so I'm very proud of that and

948
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:54,530
some of these things will end up maybe a

949
00:45:59,289 --> 00:45:57,200
little TV series up put together I play

950
00:46:02,440 --> 00:45:59,299
a character called professor [\h__\h] hard

951
00:46:05,289 --> 00:46:02,450
drive he's my alter ego I dress up in

952
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:05,299
sort of a pirate uniform great ass old

953
00:46:12,789 --> 00:46:08,450
hair with a pipe and I'm a professor at

954
00:46:15,490 --> 00:46:12,799
dubious university and graduated from

955
00:46:16,930 --> 00:46:15,500
there I am sure you did said I think

956
00:46:20,529 --> 00:46:16,940
I've seen your diploma weren't you

957
00:46:24,490 --> 00:46:20,539
working on a fav magazine content oh we

958
00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:24,500
tried so hard you know god bless Phyllis

959
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:26,329
kaldi who is the publisher of fate

960
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:28,730
magazine was so devoted and dedicated

961
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:31,130
has done a wonderful job of keeping the

962
00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:33,530
magazine alive my yellow hat is off to

963
00:46:38,049 --> 00:46:36,710
her yellow hat productions and I tried

964
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:38,059
to put it together as a television

965
00:46:43,390 --> 00:46:41,210
series didn't happen with me maybe that

966
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:43,400
will happen somebody else I love think

967
00:46:48,250 --> 00:46:45,710
my job who doesn't that was the place

968
00:46:52,450 --> 00:46:48,260
that I sold my first article i also love

969
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:52,460
14 times yes that's about it they're

970
00:46:57,970 --> 00:46:55,490
doing too much else out there now no but

971
00:47:00,430 --> 00:46:57,980
I also have put in a good word it's for

972
00:47:03,789 --> 00:47:00,440
the Society of psychical research in

973
00:47:05,740 --> 00:47:03,799
England they've been around for I'm sure

974
00:47:08,109 --> 00:47:05,750
more than 100 years and they gave a

975
00:47:08,650 --> 00:47:08,119
wonderful thought provoking review to

976
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:08,660
the life

977
00:47:14,620 --> 00:47:12,049
project and you know that's a group that

978
00:47:16,359 --> 00:47:14,630
has been doing some really great

979
00:47:24,460 --> 00:47:16,369
research including you know about

980
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:24,470
mediums and some mediums just are

981
00:47:29,049 --> 00:47:26,450
overwhelming at what they can have right

982
00:47:31,870 --> 00:47:29,059
not all patents has farty come through

983
00:47:33,849 --> 00:47:31,880
an amazing yes in the life after death

984
00:47:36,279 --> 00:47:33,859
project there's two mediums that were

985
00:47:38,109 --> 00:47:36,289
selected by dr. Gary Schwartz if

986
00:47:40,539 --> 00:47:38,119
University Arizona do something in fact

987
00:47:44,890 --> 00:47:40,549
I have not seen a second disk so I ok no

988
00:47:46,809 --> 00:47:44,900
but I think Mindy was too late in that

989
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:46,819
you were snoring it they were in the

990
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:49,970
first disc there was there was a REIT is

991
00:47:58,750 --> 00:47:53,170
she have any to America Israel and

992
00:48:01,390 --> 00:47:58,760
Katherine yeah of Tucson and we filmed

993
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:01,400
each for about an hour and they didn't

994
00:48:05,890 --> 00:48:03,530
know who I was I was just the man with

995
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:05,900
the camera they agreed i could film them

996
00:48:09,849 --> 00:48:07,730
and they didn't know who I wanted to

997
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:09,859
communicate with just I was hoping to

998
00:48:13,329 --> 00:48:11,450
hear from a friend of mine who is

999
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:13,339
deceased one of the one of the first

1000
00:48:19,660 --> 00:48:16,130
name he said forest the other never got

1001
00:48:23,770 --> 00:48:19,670
a name and what they brought through it

1002
00:48:30,580 --> 00:48:23,780
was just overwhelming and you you see it

1003
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:30,590
I was I was very very impressed and have

1004
00:48:36,130 --> 00:48:33,050
been repeatedly with the talents of some

1005
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:36,140
people who could do this in spite of all

1006
00:48:42,210 --> 00:48:37,730
the naysaying of the skeptics and

1007
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:42,220
decision all you know as Moses

1008
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:44,960
Charlotte's just like magic tricks and

1009
00:48:52,380 --> 00:48:49,760
but no some people have a great gift and

1010
00:48:56,380 --> 00:48:52,390
I respect that one one final question

1011
00:48:59,590 --> 00:48:56,390
will either UFOs or life after death

1012
00:49:03,340 --> 00:48:59,600
ever be proven to the satisfaction of

1013
00:49:06,460 --> 00:49:03,350
science oh I think so oh I didn't think

1014
00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:06,470
so absolutely just just like rocket

1015
00:49:10,570 --> 00:49:08,390
propulsion eventually prove it because

1016
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:10,580
you know the New York Times wrote an

1017
00:49:15,610 --> 00:49:13,610
editorial saying that rocket propulsion

1018
00:49:16,930 --> 00:49:15,620
in outer space was impossible because

1019
00:49:19,930 --> 00:49:16,940
there's nothing for that

1020
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:19,940
blast to push against so there were

1021
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:21,920
times when mankind's knew that there

1022
00:49:27,730 --> 00:49:24,319
would never be Rockets there could never

1023
00:49:29,740 --> 00:49:27,740
be heavier than air flight most people

1024
00:49:33,550 --> 00:49:29,750
didn't believe that Kitty Hawk happened

1025
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:33,560
for a year or two after they flew the

1026
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,930
first flight at Kitty Hawk and Thomas

1027
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:37,599
Jefferson didn't believe in meteors

1028
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:39,770
method in those days they call them

1029
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:43,250
rocks falling from the sky and those who

1030
00:49:48,849 --> 00:49:45,290
reported seeing them were extremely

1031
00:49:50,890 --> 00:49:48,859
suspect they were lunatics and Thomas

1032
00:49:53,470 --> 00:49:50,900
Jefferson is on record you can find it

1033
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:53,480
that anyone who would report a rock

1034
00:49:59,920 --> 00:49:57,410
falling from the sky is a liar he didn't

1035
00:50:02,950 --> 00:49:59,930
know about meteors so someday science

1036
00:50:04,990 --> 00:50:02,960
will get it right about UFOs life after

1037
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:05,000
death Gary Schwartz believes will have a

1038
00:50:10,420 --> 00:50:08,089
sole focus on days where we can you have

1039
00:50:13,780 --> 00:50:10,430
your Oscar on grandma they'll tear on

1040
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:13,790
the way after to let the way after to

1041
00:50:19,390 --> 00:50:16,010
but I like that I like that with that

1042
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:19,400
thought all of this French stuff will

1043
00:50:24,370 --> 00:50:21,890
become mainstream just like science

1044
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:24,380
fiction did it was just framed stuff mud

1045
00:50:28,059 --> 00:50:26,240
when far the Ackerman and Ray

1046
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:28,069
Harryhausen a rape Bradbury we're into

1047
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:30,410
this stuff in the 1930s and they thought

1048
00:50:36,930 --> 00:50:32,890
that man would fly to the moon

1049
00:50:39,570 --> 00:50:36,940
their lifetime they were crackpots so

1050
00:50:42,420 --> 00:50:39,580
most of my movies if you look at the

1051
00:50:44,090 --> 00:50:42,430
listing long are about crack bias but

1052
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:44,100
they're the crackpots have got it right

1053
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:47,170
well Paul I want to thank you this has

1054
00:50:52,020 --> 00:50:50,770
been a wonderful afternoon and don't

1055
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:52,030
forget to pick up if you can find

1056
00:50:58,380 --> 00:50:55,050
Roswell maybe look on ebay or amazon the

1057
00:51:01,080 --> 00:50:58,390
life after death project which is your

1058
00:51:04,770 --> 00:51:01,090
now is the release and jesus in india

1059
00:51:06,750 --> 00:51:04,780
and for catholics before we say goodbye

1060
00:51:08,580 --> 00:51:06,760
is one of my movies and i think you'll

1061
00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:08,590
love it a lot about our lady of

1062
00:51:12,810 --> 00:51:10,660
guadalupe in that story this one is a

1063
00:51:14,850 --> 00:51:12,820
must say and then to promote some of our

1064
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:14,860
own stuff if you haven't gotten this yet

1065
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:17,770
this is our latest book on UFOs UFOs

1066
00:51:26,370 --> 00:51:22,960
wicked this way come and i want to thank

1067
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:26,380
you all for coming to our channel mr.

1068
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:29,200
UFO secret UFO files and please spread

1069
00:51:34,890 --> 00:51:31,570
the word tell your friends and we'll

1070
00:51:36,930 --> 00:51:34,900
have a new interview posted every couple

1071
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:36,940
of weeks thanks to our technical support

1072
00:51:42,780 --> 00:51:40,210
by peter bernard and carol here taking